"The Triumph of the Moon" : comments [Funk Babblings]

What I get from the sample is that the GD does theurgy. Is that the case?

Heh. The paragraph continues (and ends) like this:

In one sense it represented a revival of the ancient art of theurgy, which had always lain on the hazy boundary between religion and magic and signified an attempt by humans to work with divinities in such a way as to wield divine powers for themselves. In another, it was distinctly modern, being one spiritual reflection of the actual experience of the peoples of the nineteenth-century Western world, as they obtained ever greater political, economic, and environmental control of the globe.

Since this ends his chapter "In Search of a High Magic", I'm assuming that in a future chapter Hutton will say that Gardner took Wicca's "High Magic" from the Golden Dawn.

I like people who think that Discordianism is a young movement, when really it's been around longer than most Wiccan traditions :)

I'd call Wicca young too; two generations is young for a religion. Or are you saying that Discordianism is older than the mid-late 60s?

By the way, the structure chapter talks a lot about how the old secret societies, starting with the Masons, went to great lengths to create a mythology tying themselves back to ancient times, hiding their relatively modern origins.

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It's official, I'm psycic.

I have issues with the definition of "theurgy" in this context. I recognize immediately what modern Pagans term "theurgy", but it doesn't match the original definition.

Theurgy is a very specific process for contacting deity. It involves ascending to meet the "High God" or "Supreme God". It's a monotheistic experience. And you don't do it for power, you do it for the experience. Of course, that depends on the theurgist, I suppose.

But that's neither here nor there, I suspect.

Or are you saying that Discordianism is older than the mid-late 60s?

Sure am! 1958 (or maybe '59, apparently Mal-2 was unclear what year it actually was). :)

Discordianism is definitely young, I should clarify and say that most poeple think it originated in the 80's or 90's. Or else they've never heard of it. But generally, they tend to think of it as one of those wacky movements that's more like a fad than a religion.

great lengths to create a mythology tying themselves back to ancient times, hiding their relatively modern origins.

I'm very happy to be part of two religions that refuse to try to predate themselves.

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But generally, they tend to think of it as one of those wacky movements that's more like a fad than a religion.

I think of it more as a wacky movement that's more like a religion than a fad. My favorite description of it is "Ha Ha, only serious."

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Is it a joke masquerading as a religion, or a religion masquerading as a joke?

Does it matter?

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