posted by [identity profile] guttenta.livejournal.com at 09:34pm on 21/01/2005
Rob, you will regret emailing me yesterday after this one....

Just a perspective from another view. You can say whatever you want about this administation and torture, but during the Clinton administration the first WTC bombing, the 2 african embacy bobmings occured, the Cole bombing all occured and who got tortured. That's right me several thousand other WTC workers. I might have survived from the 80th floor, but many people I know didn't as well as my brain is well, slightly off since.

So let's see about torture... Are we supposed to sit by and wait or agressively take a stance. That's right the war was against the east coast and not the rest of the country directly so you might not feel the bomb threats, security levels and continual feeling out here every time a report comes in wondering when the next attack may be.

So if our goverment needs to torture or take strong means to get information that might save me and others I say go for it!!!!

Did you miss me Rob???

 
posted by [identity profile] nontacitare.livejournal.com at 05:44am on 22/01/2005
Here's another perspective to your perspective.

The problem of torture is three-fold:
1) It generally does not reveal useful information. I think there is a window of about three days, and then whatever the captive knows becomes outdated.

2)Who gets tortured? There is no guarantee that only bona fide terrorists will suffer. Remember, the whole premise here is guilty until proven innocent. More likely it will be an innocent Iraqi farmer minding his own business, in his own country; or random American citizens. Are you willing to be tortured by our government on the off chance that you might be a terrorist who is planning something within the next 24 hours? I'm not; but I'm afraid that's the direction this country is heading.

3) Torture creates a desire for vengeance. Innocent people who are tortured, or their parents or children, may then become terrorists, because of how they or their families have suffered.

I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything to keep safe; we just need to do something that works, not that makes things worse.

As for the Clinton administration, it tried to go after Al Quaida, but the
Republicans spearheading the impeachment said that Al Quaida was no threat, and that Clinton was just trying to cover up his affair with Monica Lewinsky by starting a war in Africa and the Middle East. If they had been less partisan, perhaps Al Quaida would have been stopped in its tracks a long time ago. You can read more about it here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/wag.dog/

As I said, it's just my opinion.

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